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Wednesday, October 29, 2008

For Christians, Far More Than the Economy is at Stake in the Election

By Marie Jon'

Christians founded this nation, and they will either save it or let fall into the hands of a Socialist-Marxist and his minions. By refusing to vote for Sen. John McCain, Christians will bear a huge portion of responsibility for abandoning their nation in its time of greatest need.

Only a massive turnout of every devout believer in Christ can turn this election around. We most certainly have the numbers to do the job. God fearing Christians who are willing to vote their faith can overturn the attempted theft of this election by the enemy.

The Democrats have let it be known that if and when they gain control of all three branches of government, they will do so for generations to come, by force if necessary.

I am positive that Socialist-Marxists will not let go without causing great social unrest once they have been in control for a time. The far left will take over our country and destroy it. Be prepared to do what is right before it's too late. Don't be overwhelmed by what appears to be an Obama victory. Act now. Put an end to this ominous threat.

The outcome of this election will say many things. One of the most profound is what it will say about the state of Christianity in this country. Specifically, the compromise of Christian beliefs will give rise to paganism, socialism, multiculturalism and various other -isms.

We are on the proverbial "thin edge of the wedge.

"We have witnessed the most aggressive litigations which have attacked our faith for years, yet not many Christians have been stirred up enough to do a thing about the eroding of our religious freedoms.

Open your eyes, Christian America. You've been undermined and lulled to sleep within your cloisters of Christian fellowship. Your lack of wisdom regarding political effects on matters of faith is stunningly appalling. As a result, we have been weakened.

This election is not just about the economy, but about the fate of our nation as it exists today.

If we are not careful, soon our churches will be forced to compromise the preaching of the full gospel message, as they have been in Canada, Britain and Scandinavia. What God's Word has to say about marriage and homosexuality will be considered hate speech. Christian radio will also be stifled not able to air God's truth on these extremely important topics.

Our churches will lose their tax exemptions because they'll refuse to accommodate and perform same sex marriages. Traditional Churches will close their doors before they are forced to obey the far reaching arms of the ACLU and those who legislate from the bench.

This is a clarion call. Who will be preaching to the multitudes? Denominations that have been radicalized by the far left, such as the National Council of Churches, that's who. Only those whose agenda it is to change our country's political and social mores will be left standing. They have already sown the seeds of deceit.

The United Church of Christ is the very same denomination as "God Damn America" Rev. Jeremiah Wright. He helped form Sen. Barack Obama's world views, both spiritually and politically. Read the handwriting on the wall. See what America will become if Obama is elected.

Excerpts from About.Com: What is the United Church of Christ's Position on Homosexuality?

Question: What is the United Church of Christ's Position on Homosexuality?

Answer:"The United Church of Christ is, by definition, congregational, thus the views of one church may not be forced or taken on by another church. Thus, many views vary among various congregations within the Church of Christ. David Roozen, the director for the Hartford Institute for Religion Research, has stated that the overall pronouncements and polices of the national church is often more liberal than what individual churches uphold.

"The General Synod passed a resolution in 1985 that encouraged congregations to be open and affirming, meaning that the churches should be non-discriminating in areas of employment, volunteer efforts, and membership. In 2005 the General Synod encouraged congregations to adopt equal marriage rights for same-sex couples. Several congregations allow for ordination of non-celibate homosexual clergy, but only 10 percent of UCC congregations actually have an official 'Open and Affirming' statement." Full Article

The Gospel of Christ has been blatantly misrepresented within many ungodly denominations. They have finally reached across the abyss and shook the hands with the powers of darkness. These denominations will have their doors wide open because they will be the status quos of the new laws that will be imposed upon our nation.

Christians, it is your last chance to make a stand for our faith. It is our last opportunity to hold back what is to come.

We must maintain "one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all." Our country's fate is in our hands. Seize it. In a matter of a few days it will be all over. The election is more than just about the economy.

Marie Jon' is a political/religious-based writer and founder of www.DrawingClose.org and www.PeoplePoliticallyRight.com — sister websites to RenewAmerica. Marie extends her hand of welcome; visit DrawingClose and receive your free gift of salvation by taking an online Bible study.

Marie's writings have appeared on many sites, including The New Media Journal, ChronWatch, and ABCNews, to name a few. Marie brings a refreshing and spirited point of view that is reflected in her writings. Marie is a nurse, a lay student of the Bible, and a patriot. She is an advocate for American troops serving abroad, as well as the Blue and Gold Star Mothers of America and their families. Marie enjoys Townhall.com radio, Rush Limbaugh, Bruce Elliott Saturdays 5AM-9AM EST and her friend Larry Elder.


8 comments:

G said...

Someone obviously failed history back in high school. The Founding Fathers were for the most part deists, which is basically an agnostic for all practical purposes. They understood the dangers of mixing government and religion.


Lighthouses are more helpful than churches. — Benjamin Franklin

"They [preachers] dread the advance of science the way witches do the approach of daylight and scorn the fatal harbinger announcing the subversion of the duperies on which they live." - Thomas Jefferson

I have examined all of the known superstitions of the world and I do not find in our superstitions of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all founded on fables and mythology. Christianity has made one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. - Thomas Jefferson


The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.
~ Abraham Lincoln

I do not believe that any type of religion should ever be introduced into the public schools of the United States. - Thomas Edison

This Christian is voting for the sincere Christian in this election: Barack Obama. I suggest that you do the same.

greggT said...

Obama would add a slight amount to our ALREADY socialist economy. Perhaps you don't believe we're already socialist, which is simply group ownership of individual wealth? OK, then would you please return to me the taxes I've paid that build your roads, funded your social security, medicare, medicaid, libraries and universities, CHURCHES (yes, you use the nation's infrastructure without paying for it), and all the other benefits you're taking from my pocketbook.

I think Obama wants to realign benefits with the people who need them, not to the wealthiest who will buy another company (laying off workers) and will hire lawyers to avoid paying their FAIR SHARE of taxes, and will buy yet another foreign exotic car. you know, these are the people that YOUR church was supposed to be helping... if you can't do it, give someone else a chance, ok?

Bob Ellis said...

Yes, G, someone obviously DID fail history back in high school...and ever since.

The Founders were almost all committed Christians with a solid Biblical worldview who knew the vital importance of religion and morality in maintaining the health of our government and our freedom.

(By the way, Thomas Edison wasn't a Founder--you really need those history lessons, G)

Even Benjamin Franklin, probably the least religious of the founders, recognized not only that God was involved in the affairs of men and government, but of the need for men to implore God's assistance:

In the beginning of the contest with Great Britain, when we were sensible to danger, we had daily prayers in this room for Divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard and they were graciously answered… And have we now forgotten that powerful friend? or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance?...I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth—that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that 'except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it.' I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel...We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages…I therefore beg leave to move—that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business…"

Consider also these statements of the alleged un-Christian Founders:


Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness. – George Washington's Presidential Farewell Address

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. – John Adams

It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. Religion and virtue are the only foundations…of republicanism and of all free governments. – John Adams

While the people are virtuous, they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue, they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader. – Samuel Adams

It should therefore be among the first objects of those who wish well to the national prosperity to encourage and support the principles of religion and morality. – Abraham Baldwin, signer of the Constitution

Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion whose morality is so sublime and pure…are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments. – Charles Carroll, signer of the Declaration of Independence

Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters. – Benjamin Franklin

Sensible of the importance of Christian piety and virtue to the order and happiness of a state, I cannot but earnestly commend to you every measure for their support and encouragement – John Hancock

Righteousness alone can exalt them [America] as a nation…The great pillars of all government and of social life: I mean virtue, morality and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone, that renders us invincible. – Patrick Henry.

The practice of morality being necessary for the well-being of society…We all agree in the obligation of the moral precepts of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses. – Thomas Jefferson

The Holy Scriptures…can alone secure to society, order and peace, and to our courts of justice and constitutions of government, purity, stability, and usefulness. In vain, without the Bible, we increase penal laws and draw entrenchments around our institutions. Bibles are strong entrenchments. Where they abound, men cannot pursue wicked courses. – James McHenry, signer of the Constitution, Secretary of War

I believe that religion is the only solid base of morals and that morals are the only possible support of free governments. Therefore education should teach the precepts of religion and the duties of man toward God. – Gouverneur Morris, penman and signer of the Constitution

Religion and morality…are necessary to good government, good order and good laws, for "when the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice" – William Paterson, signer of the Constitution, U.S. Supreme Court Justice

The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained. – George Washington's Inaugural Address

The law…dictated by God Himself is, of course, superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times. No human laws are of any validity if contrary to this. – Alexander Hamilton, signer of the Constitution

Let it never be forgotten that there can be no genuine freedom where there is no morality, and no sound morality where there is no religion…Hesitate not a moment to believe that the man who labors to destroy these two great pillars of human happiness…is neither a good patriot nor a good man. – Jeremiah Smith, Revolutionary soldier, judge, U.S. Congressman, Governor of New Hampshire

It yet remains a problem to be solved in human affairs whether any free government can be permanent where the public worship of God and the support of religion constitute no part of the policy or duty of the state in any assignable shape. – Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Judge, Father of American Jurisprudence

Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society – George Washington

Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens. – Daniel Webster

Christianity to which the sword and the fagot [burning stake or hot branding iron] are unknown—general tolerant Christianity is the law of the land. – Daniel Webstser

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were…the general principles of Christianity. – John Adams

Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is divine. – James Wilson, signer of the Constitution, U.S. Supreme Court Judge

Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call him an enemy to his country…God grant that in America true religion and civil liberty may be inseparable and that the unjust attempts to destroy one may in the issue tend to the support and establishment of both. – John Witherspoon, signer of the Declaration

No country on earth ever had it more in its power to attain these blessings than United America. Wondrously strange, then, and much to be regretted indeed it would be, were we to neglect the means and to depart from the road which Providence has pointed us to so plainly; I cannot believe it will ever come to pass. – George Washington (how deeply sad that we have betrayed Washington's confidence)

When a citizen gives his suffrage [vote] to a man of known immorality he abuses his trust [civic responsibility]; he sacrifices not only his own interest, but that of his neighbor; he betrays the interest of his country. – Noah Webster


Wow. They sound pretty Christian to me. Also sounds like they deeply believed our religious values had a very important place in the public square.

Maybe it's best to forego the liberal, secularist, God-hating talking points and take a look at history for yourself. Don't let the secularists continue brainwashing you.

The sincere Christian who has a clue what God has told us about how to live cannot possibly vote for Obama and remain obedient to God. God abhors the murder of innocent children, homosexual behavior, and those who attack his chosen people, the Jews; incidentally, these are all things Obama embraces.

A vote for Obama is a vote against God's standards and exemplifies disobedience to God.

Bob Ellis said...

greggT, apparently you have absolutely no understanding of socialism--or government--whatsoever.

It is true that we already have large elements of socialism in our economy. For instance, government already has heavy control on all major segments of the economy and financial system. We also spend more than 50% of our federal budget on social programs.

However, roads, libraries, universities and churches are not government social programs. The first three are legitimate government services, while the third is a private organization. A private organization which, incidentally, provides a vital service back to government and society by promoting morality--an absolutely necessary societal element for a safe and law-abiding culture.

Government doesn't exist to provide "benefits" and it doesn't exist to provide for people's "needs." Government exists to provide order and public safety; beyond that, it has few legitimate roles. The American form of government was designed to do just that while affording the greatest opportunity possible to people to create their own destiny and meet their own needs. It is NOT the role of government to make sure everybody has the same amount of goodies, nor is it even the role of government to ensure that everyone has all their needs.

When people have genuine needs that are beyond their ability to meet on their own, the private sector takes care of that. In the American system, charity comes from private individuals and private organizations. This is how our country operated until only about 60 years ago when we started to embrace socialism--and that embrace quickly created a bloated, unsustainable welfare state that we were forced to rein in somewhat in 1995.

For the good of our country (and your own), please greggT, learn about our country, our culture, our government, and the proper role of government. You might be surprised and pleased by what you find.

G said...

One more thing, George Washington wasn't a Christian either. He never attended services.

This Christian is voting for the true Christians: Obama and Biden.

McCain is bought and paid for by Big Business. Palin was selected because she appeals to fanatical bigots.

Bob Ellis said...

G, please read this and this. You really need to learn the truth and throw off the anti-Christian propaganda you've been brainwashed with.

There is absolutely no reasonable doubt whatsoever that George Washington was a committed, Bible-believing Christian. Notice the picture on one of those links of the Scripture on the tomb of George Washington (I took that picture myself at Mt. Vernon). As Washington's daughter said, "Is it necessary that any one should certify, 'General Washington avowed himself to me a believer in Christianity?' As well may we question his patriotism, his heroic, disinterested devotion to his country."

And while it is impossible to know for sure that a person does not have a genuine born-again relationship with Jesus Christ (what being a "Christian" really entails), Barack Obama has very, very few fruits of Christianity. And he has many fruits of evil: support for killing unborn--and some born--children, promoting homosexual behavior which God says repeatedly in both Old and New Testaments is immoral, and he consorts with terrorists who kill innocent people and who attack God's chosen people in Israel.

The Bible says we will know true Christians--and false ones--by their fruits. The fruits of both George Washington and Barack Obama say volumes about the Christianity of both of them.

G said...

There's a big difference between the history we were taught in grade school and what really happened.

Here are some quotes from our Founding Fathers and others:



"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."
--Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1758

"Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects."
--James Madison, letter to William Bradford, January 1774

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every expanded prospect."
--James Madison, letter to William Bradford, April 1, 1774

". . . no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities."
—Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, 1779

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
--Thomas Jefferson, letter, 1787

"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see, but I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity, though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble. I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequences, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and observed, especially as I do not perceive that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure."
--Benjamin Franklin, letter to Ezra Stiles, March 9, 1790

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
--Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason, 1794

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church."
--Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason, 1794

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon than the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind."
--Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason, 1794

"The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?"
--John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
--Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."
--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Alexander von Humboldt, 1813

"Man is fed with fables through life, and leaves it in the belief he knows something of what has been passing, when in truth he has known nothing but what has passed under his own eye." —Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Cooper, 1823

Bob Ellis said...

I notice, G, that almost every one of your quotes come from the three least religious of all the founders--and the founders number in the dozens.

Jefferson was indeed pretty mixed up in his beliefs on Christianity. And there is considerable doubt as to whether he was a Christian. But he did admit: "The practice of morality being necessary for the well-being of society…We all agree in the obligation of the moral precepts of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses." And in his famous letter to the Danbury Baptists, he said "I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and Creator of man."

Adams' quote differentiates the authenticity of the "God of nature" and his authenticity...and the "fictitious miracles" often made up by religious figures from the religious establishment (see more on this below) to solidify their power base for their own selfish purposes. In other words, Adams pointed to the difference between authentic Christianity and the misuse of religious faith by some religious figures for the benefit of personal gain. It was not an indictment of religious belief itself, nor of its role in public life.

Franklin was indeed one of the least religious. Yet even he recognized the need for morality in society ("Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."), and religion is the only reliable and substantial source of moral and virtuous teaching.

Franklin is also the Founder who, when Congress met to write the Constitution, pointed out that "In the beginning of the contest with Great Britain, when we were sensible to danger, we had daily prayers in this room for Divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard and they were graciously answered." He also told Congress "the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth—that God governs in the affairs of men." And he called for the establishment of the prayers that continue in Congress today, moving "that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business."

It is also interesting that you quote Thomas Paine, who had great ideas when younger, but did later abandon the Christian faith. What is most interesting is that when Paine sent Franklin a manuscript of his "Age of Reason," Franklin wrote a letter back to him, strongly counseling him not to publish the work, that it would be harmful to society and advising him to "burn this piece before it is seen by any other person."

In understanding the context of Madison's statement about "ecclesiastical establishments," it is helpful to understand the historical setting. One of the key reasons the founders intentionally did not establish a state church or state religion was that they saw numerous examples from Europe that when church and state are officially "married," great evils tend to arise.

As Noah Webster said, "The ecclesiastical establishments of Europe which serve to support tyrannical governments are not the Christian religion but abuses and corruptions of it."

And the context of Madison's letter makes it clear that he meant it in this sense, for earlier in the same paragraph he mentioned the Church of England (the official state church of England), and that if it had been the only church in the Colonies, it would have tended to keep the colonists subdued to the crown of England through the "union of religious sentiments" that was not present in the denominationally-diverse Colonies.

This was not, however, to indicate in the slightest, that they intended government to be kept sanitized from moral or religious values, or that government should be "indifference to religion in general, and especially to Christianity" (as Judge Joseph Story said).

It should also be noted that Madison's statement about "religious bondage" was not an indictment of religion, but in the use of power to determine one acceptable line of religious thought with persecution of all others. The letter from which this quote is taken concerns the efforts of some clergy within the Established Church of Virginia and their attempts to use their power to quash religious dissent and feather their own nests.

As always, context is key.

 
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