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Monday, November 17, 2008

How Obama Got Elected: Zombie Voters

Now I know that our liberal bloggers in South Dakota are more informed than the folks in this video (our lib bloggers at least know who most of the players are), so don't think I'm poking fun at you, liberal bloggers.

But you know as well as I do that this is almost certainly all-too-typical of the Obama voter profile.

The website How Obama Got Elected put together this video and their website features some interesting information gathered by Zogby polling on Obama voters:

97.1% High School Graduate or higher, 55% College Graduates

Results to 12 simple Multiple Choice Questions

57.4% could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by guessing)

81.8% could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by guessing)

82.6% could NOT correctly say that Barack Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by guessing)

88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by guessing)

56.1% could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing).

You might recall that I wrote a few weeks ago about the Case Against Clueless Voting. You probably thought I was being mean and unfair. This video proves I was not; I was probably being overly gracious.

A vote is a sacred thing, not to be exercised lightly. It is also a potentially dangerous thing when used indiscriminately, and in concert with other indiscriminate and poorly-aimed votes.

Note where most of these mindless zombies got their vast ocean of political information: NPR, PBS, CNN, Bill Maher, New York Times, BBC (which, incidentally, for you fellow zombies out there, is the liberal British Broadcasting Company), MSNBC, Jon Stewart. All Leftist propaganda mouthpieces, most of which try to pass themselves off as "objective." However, I think the only folks they're fooling into believing that are the type in this video.

I wish they had asked these Obama voters their number one reason for voting for Obama. Given the level of ignorance here, I think it would be a pretty safe bet to guess it would be something like "Because he's gonna stick it to the rich!" or maybe "He'll pay for my health care" or some such envy-driven drivel.

You know, if I ran for office and had this many complete ignoramuses vote for me, I think there's a good chance my sense of integrity would compel me to step down for the good of the country.

By the way, I suppose these Obama voters at least deserve credit for recognizing there are not 58 states in the United States (as Obama said).

www.HowObamaGotElected.com looks at how media coverage of the 2008 election impacted what Obama voters knew (or thought they knew) about the campaign.


Danielle said...

A vote is a RIGHT, just because everybody does not contort to your standards and think exactly the same way as you, which lets face it is not very open minded, zombie or not their opinion, wants, and needs are just as important as yours. Sorry to paint you such a bad picture, but it is simply the truth.

Bob Ellis said...

Danielle, I think the video speaks for itself.

(Did it strike a little too close to home?)

Anonymous said...

Danielle, the right to vote comes with the responsibility to be informed and to make decisions that put America first, above selfish motives. George Washington said as much in his farewell address:
"Promote then as an object of primary importance, Institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened."

Of greater concern in this election is the media's wholesale neglect of their roles as the watchdogs of our republic and the source of impartial information to its citizens. Had they done their job there is little doubt in my mind that we would have elected an avowed radical socialist with no experience that recommends him to the office of the president.

Sean Hannity is correct when he says that journalism is dead. As a consequence, our country will be mortally wounded. Whether she'll survive will be in God's hands.

Anonymous said...

There are just as many Republicans that couldn't answer those questions. I am a Democrat in a family of Republicans and I could answer more of 75 percent of those questions while my older sisters could answer 30%. Not to say my sisters are stupid they just didn't get involved. Kind of putting there faith in God and not the facts. I wish this one-sided crap would stop.

Bob Ellis said...

I'm sure there are a handful of ignorant voters on the Right. But I'd be willing to bet the ignoramus' on the Left outnumber those on the right 5-1 if not 10-1.

Liberalism is fueled by emotion, not rational thought. Conservatism, while it can float along on emotion, requires logic and reason grounded in facts--which is why it's always at a disadvantage.

Liberals like Obama can throw out a little class-envy red meat to fire up the emotions and Obama voters are ready to go to town.

Find me a video with this many zombies who voted for McCain and I'll shut up.

Until then, it speaks for itself.

If you're an Obama voter and you're ashamed by what you saw in this video, good for you. But you probably realize you need to work on a couple of areas: (1) you seriously need to educate your colleagues, and (2) even better, adjust your philosophy to one that embraces facts and reason and not raw emotionalism.

Bob Ellis said...

By the way, for more information on the malady of liberalism, read this and this and this and this and this.

It's the education you've probably never received on liberalism...especially if you're a liberal.

Do a good deed today: liberate a liberal from liberalism. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Anonymous said...

why not interview some of the immature McCain/Palin rally attendees who were booing. This questionaire is more clearly showing the failure of Republicans to convincingly inform voters...

Leland said...

Wow, talk about "mind numbed robots." Great post, Robert. The spectrum is broad. Talking with college professors, active and retired, I find the same shallow, uninformed state, only they are less inclined to introspection and more defensive. The people in this survey could at least engage the notion that they don't have a clue...still didn't matter though. Ha

Anonymous said...

the liberals have always been on the better side of history:
-it was liberals who wanted equality for all
-it was German liberals in Berlin that Hitler hated, they didn't support him
-liberals are the ones who fight for human rights around the world
-liberals are supporting the green movement

Its the conservatives who only want to maintain status quo that need a headcheck.

Anonymous said...

"Ignorance is the most expensive comodity we currently have in the US today" Boy doesnt this poll and subsequent video just prove the point. Obama voters voted knowing nothing of what they were voting on or for.

Anonymous said...

I was raised to believe that the right vote is judged in retrospect. I assume that when people voted for bush, they believed they had the right vote. It is sad some don't learn from their mistakes. I do commend the Right for their votes for McCain. "Don't vote for who you think will when, vote on principal; though you may vote alone."

I would also like to make a point to say that all but one of those questions was nothing more than remedial slander that you see floating around sites such as these. No wonder Obama supporters found them null. Either way, they were all loaded question. For instance;

"56.1% could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing)."

Now say an overwhelming percent did know...

"80% of Obama supporters are aware of 'blah blah blah' and are ok with his terrorists ties. They must want to be terrorists too! Mooowahahaha"

In summary, you are as credible and pertinent to politics as my theft toe.

And no, this doesn't hit close to home for me; I voted on principle and cast my support for a third party (baldwin)

Anonymous said...

I don't see any indication of this polling on the Zogby website. Do you always repeat undocumented information as factual?

And even if it is true (wow, who can afford to commission a Zogby poll, anyway?), it doesn't tell you much. Americans on both sides of the aisle are astonishingly uninformed. However, from my unscientific review of blog comments, I'd say that lefties definitely spell better.

Henrietta said...

Obama had a landslide victory, there's always going to be naysayers but the fact is he's won big time.

Colin said...

Guess Dakota Voice doesn't operate on First Amendment principles. I'd wager my first comment hit a little too close to home. It's SO nice to be right, Bob.

Maybe you'll approve this comment. Nate silver does a nice writeup on why this poll is nonsense:


Bob Ellis said...

Colin, do you mean the First Amendment principle of freedom of religion? We love that principle at Dakota Voice.

I also don't see a "first comment" (other than this one) from a "Colin" so it's difficult to answer any more specifically.

Yes, I read the same drivel you posted a link to on the Daily Communist earlier today. The post itself is what's nonsense and irrelevant.

Even if it was push-polling, that doesn't alter a single, solitary truth about it.

The respondents were still woefully ignorant, which is the main--and really only--point.

Nate Silver himself engages in a little revisionist propaganda..or maybe he's as ignorant as these Obama voters. The veracity of these questions is not in the least "debatable." They even played clips of the various Obama, Biden and Palin quotes; is reality simply too hard for liberals to digest?

You know, if actually hearing the words spoken by the people in question themselves is inadequate proof of reality to liberals, then there really is no hope for you.

At least the gal in the pink sweater realized she was ignorant. Liberals like you, Colin, are hilarious because you somehow manage to stare facts right in the face and say to them, "You don't exist. You don't exist. You don't exist."

This will always be a funny world as long a few liberals remain.

Colin said...

"Even if it was push-polling, that doesn't alter a single, solitary truth about it."

Yes, it does, Bob, for it means there can be no truth in the poll. Do you know what push polling is?

How about I ask McCain voters which candidate called his wife a c*nt in front of reporters?

Would that be push-polling? Yes, it would. If McCain voters failed to answer that question "correctly," would they be stupid? No.

Bob Ellis said...

Yes, Colin, I know what push-polling is, but from your comments I think it's pretty clear that YOU don't know.

Push-polling has to do with intent and manipulation of opinion, not with the facts of the statements or questions. And since these questions were asked after their votes had already been cast, even if there was an attempt to sway opinion, it would have been pretty fruitless, wouldn't it?

Even a certifiable push-poll would not in and of itself mean that the questions or statements made were false. Each of these statements were demonstrably true and factual.

And to your McCain example, it is certainly possible that such a question on a poll could be used for push-polling, but it would in no way alter the truth of the statement.

Think about it. And maybe look up what a push-poll is about. Stop making these Obama voters look smart.

Anonymous said...

anonymous from 10:31, it was the republican party that pushed for civil rights in this country. They passed the civil rights bills, the dems fought them tooth and nail. Look up some history. From right after the Civil War up until the democrat party put the chains back on them with welfare goodies, blacks were always republican.

The left were big supporters of Hitler, who disliked Jews, Christians, the mentally and physically disabled. They only turned on him when he attacked their beloved commie nation.

Colin said...

"Push-polling has to do with intent and manipulation of opinion"=YES

"not with the facts of the statements or questions"=NO

"Each of these statements were demonstrably true and factual."

NO. 1) These are are statements, they are questions. 2) That Obama's plan would likely bankrupt the coal industry is, by its nature, a statement of opinion--not a statement of fact.

I'm not trying to convince anyone that Obama voters are smart, or that they're smarter than McCain voters. Uninformed folks voted for both candidates.

This poll was DESIGNED to sway staunch Repubs, to convince them that we've been taken over by morons. Therefore, it is a push poll. It does not prove to anyone save those who wish to convinced that Obama voters are morons. To do so, we'd need properly designed questions and a control to compare the Obama voters to.

You're better than this, Bob. Stick to reporting and commenting on what you believe the FACTS to be. Opinion polls sponsored by right-wing radio nuts are not newsworthy. Besides, we both know Obama won those with post-grad degrees 58-40. There's some REAL evidence that the more highly educated voted for Obama.

Listen, I know your ten-yr-old homseschooled kid is smarter than everyone at Harvard and Yale combined, so you don't even need to go there.

Stick to the Bible, policy, video clips, and "scientists," Bob. At least there's some indicia of believability there.

Bob Ellis said...

Colin, did you watch the video, or just skim it to keep from getting too contaminated by truth?

Obama ADMITTED he wants to bankrupt the coal industry. And with the confiscatory costs he plans to put on them, it would no doubt happen. You're a great example of the old saying about leading horses to water.

As for convincing Republicans that we've been taken over by morons, no further proof was needed to convince Republicans of this.

You know exactly what this is, Colin, and you know these statements/questions were true. And you also know Zogby isn't beholden to either the Left or the Right (he's actually rather liberal in his personal beliefs).

You just don't like to be confronted with the unpleasant fact that liberalism is fueled by emotionalism and can only survive in an environment devoid of facts and rational thought.

Colin said...

Um, Zogby didn't write or endorse this poll. They were paid 13K to ask these questions by an LA radio right-winger.

Bob Ellis said...

Correct, Colin. See, you are able to deal with certain facts...as long as they appear non-threatening to your illusion.

And the fact that Zogby, a reputable polling organization, did them means they were not asked with snide inflections and "unpleasant" results were not covered up.

And I'll say it again, even if this was a push poll (which it wasn't--doesn't meet the definition), the truth remains that these were accurate questions/statements based on what the candidates said.

It's just hard to deal with the fact that so many Obama voters were ignornant emotons, isn't it?

Colin said...

I'm not sure how "voters" can be "emotions," but I really do appreciate that you admitted (for the first time in decades, I'd bet) that you were wrong. Dead wrong.

I don't call your perception of the facts an "illusion," nor do I think you should either. I know, "I say the truth when I see it, rah, rah...."

Calling my beliefs and their basis in fact irrational is downright SHOCKING when you base much of your belief system on Christ and his teachings. Can't prove any of that's trues, can you? It's all based on faith. How irrational is that?

It's hard, Bob, because I don't get up each day looking to attack someone as an irrational, stupid, blood-sucking leech. You do, though. I still can't see how that brings any goodness into the world.

I want to bring goodness into the world. I want each human being (and her worth as one) to be RESPECTED (not accepted); you don't. You could care less. That is simply SO disheartening, and it's the reason that the Humanists, UUs, Quakers, etc. have such a visceral hatred of you and your ilk. You might claim otherwise, but your actions speak far more than your vapid words.

Ad hominem attacks are for the weak and irrational, Bob, but you're full of them. Where's it get you? I address your arguments, not you. Why don't you try it sometime? Might help you sleep better at night.

Bob Ellis said...

I don't see that I admitted I was wrong here; perhaps you have your "liberal glasses" on again.

Also, what you call "ad hominem attacks," most other people would call "candor."

If someone attempts to mislead others, that deserves to be identified, confronted and denounced for the deception it is. When someone makes assumptions based on incorrect information or no information whatsoever, that also needs to be identified, confronted and denounced for the senseless act it is—especially when that affects our republic.

I don’t enjoy doing that, but the fact remains that it has to be done. Someone has to do it or error will be allowed to stand and ignorance will be championed. There is far too much of that going on in our civilization as it is, and you are only adding to it.

You simply keep digging the hole of your lack of credibility deeper with every subsequent comment. A wise person would have quit long ago. It's obvious to even a 5-year-old that the candidates did indeed in fact say what the questions claim. But go ahead and deny reality; I suppose when the sun comes up tomorrow, you'll say it's a big M&M in the sky.

I'd like there to be goodness in the world. I want each human being to be respected. But I cannot--and no self-respecting human being can--respect total ignorance and laughable denial of incontrovertible proof.

Until you're ready to quit denying reality, deal with truth, and accept morality, we really have no common ground with which to work.

But I’ll be here to call it what it is every time I see it. Like the soldier’s job, it isn’t pretty and it often isn’t fun, but someone has to do it.

Colin said...

"Correct, Colin." That's where you admitted you were wrong. It's like two ships passing in the night, Bob. If you don't even understand that ad hominem attacks don't further the discussion, I don't know where we could go from here.

Colin said...

Priceless. Nate Silver's interview with John Ziegler, the architect of this poll:


Bob Ellis said...

You still have those liberal glasses on, Colin. I acknowledged that you had certain facts about this story correct, not that I was wrong about anything here.

I do understand what ad hominem attacks are..and that complaints about ad hominem attacks are often used to escape moral and factual culpability.

But we do agree on one thing: I don't think we have anywhere to go from here.

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