tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post6274731411913855433..comments2023-10-08T05:44:25.657-06:00Comments on Dakota Voice: The Intolerance of the Tolerant: On Through the NightDakota Voicehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01386070103210525597noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-22783941449633098002008-11-19T17:20:00.000-07:002008-11-19T17:20:00.000-07:00Anonymous 12:59, you assert that behavior in anima...Anonymous 12:59, you assert that behavior in animals which is obviously abnormal and aberrant is somehow normal and natural. This is obviously contrary to scientific evidence (normal behavior is easily measured statistically), so it is incumbent upon you to provide evidence that it is normal and natural. I provided a theory to explain an aberration, yet your contention that aberrant behavior is Bob Ellishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10413354616356999953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-14719042949025009832008-11-19T12:59:00.000-07:002008-11-19T12:59:00.000-07:00I seem to remember a conversation we had about why...I seem to remember a conversation we had about why animals engage in homosexual behavior. You claimed it's because of original sin, and when I asked you to prove your assertion with scientific evidence as any logical person would, you said, and I quote: "Since the god of science is all you will worship, and you demand scientific proof of everything before you'll believe it, answer something for Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-33579390757910917892008-11-19T12:22:00.000-07:002008-11-19T12:22:00.000-07:001. I have no right to redefine marriage? Of cour...1. I have no right to redefine marriage? Of course I do. Just like past generations did when they redefined marriage several times. Marriage is a word and just like everything else, it evolves. It may have it's roots in religion but so does a lot of things. As for your example using Burger King? Pathetic and totally written in poor logic. How about you eating a burger with no cheese whileJakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07563674504519358312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-27513024469451121132008-11-19T07:28:00.000-07:002008-11-19T07:28:00.000-07:00Anonymous, your statement is totally unfounded.Not...Anonymous, your statement is totally unfounded.<BR/><BR/>Not only does the Bible (and every major religion) specifically condemn homosexual behavior as immoral, your assertion that there are physiological differences is also false.<BR/><BR/>There has not been a single difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals detemined--not even the mythical "gay gene." Other studies have produced Bob Ellishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10413354616356999953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-92106971398725509012008-11-19T07:24:00.000-07:002008-11-19T07:24:00.000-07:00"Skin color is an innate quality which is morally ..."Skin color is an innate quality which is morally neutral. Homosexuality is a behavior which is clearly immoral and also clearly unhealthy."<BR/><BR/>But Bob, homosexuality is also a morally neutral innate quality, insofar as sexual orientation is caused by psychological, biological, and environmental forces. This is not to imply that homosexual behavior is moral/immoral or unavoidable, just Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-10116804909167045422008-11-18T20:39:00.000-07:002008-11-18T20:39:00.000-07:00Anonymous 7:19, someone who is bigoted usually tre...Anonymous 7:19, someone who is bigoted usually treats someone of a racial or ethnic background different than their own with hatred or intolerance. I do none of those things.<BR/><BR/>I do, however, tell the truth about the moral and health hazards of homosexuality, and about the obvious intolerance of homosexual activists such as those in this post.Bob Ellishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10413354616356999953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-3686533275869439672008-11-18T20:31:00.000-07:002008-11-18T20:31:00.000-07:00If people who shout std's and AIDS really thought ...If people who shout std's and AIDS really thought much about their anti-gay marriage stance, they would encourage monogamy and stable relationships by supporting same-sex marriage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-87744235017606346492008-11-18T19:19:00.000-07:002008-11-18T19:19:00.000-07:00You are a bigoted person Bob. Seek some help for y...You are a bigoted person Bob. Seek some help for your prejudices.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-17910591194758959392008-11-18T19:07:00.000-07:002008-11-18T19:07:00.000-07:00Mary Cheney is a lesbian. Help her.Mary Cheney is a lesbian. Help her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-59123899501436534972008-11-18T18:35:00.000-07:002008-11-18T18:35:00.000-07:00You have a great point, Anonymous. This Max Headro...You have a great point, Anonymous. This Max Headroom video does indeed say a lot about this issue.<BR/><BR/>While it does contain a generous amount of misguided liberal drivel, it does point out some important truths about this issue.<BR/><BR/>When Olbermann says it's about the "human heart," he's right. It's all about emotion and emotionalism and nothing about rational thought or public welfareBob Ellishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10413354616356999953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-86423529306065635382008-11-18T18:28:00.000-07:002008-11-18T18:28:00.000-07:00This says it all:http://www.thenation.com/doc/2008...This says it all:<BR/><BR/>http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081124/olbermannprop8_videoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-55200874247593392012008-11-18T17:28:00.000-07:002008-11-18T17:28:00.000-07:00Jake: 1. You assume facts not in evidence. You ha...Jake:<BR/> <BR/>1. You assume facts not in evidence. You have no "right" to redefine marriage. It is a fundamental human institution, the definition of which can only be met by combining a man and a woman. You also don't have the right to pick up a sno-cone wrapper off the street and demand the guy at Burger King take it in exchange for the meal you order. Why? Because a sno-cone wrapper is Bob Ellishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10413354616356999953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-29778065696962133252008-11-18T17:25:00.000-07:002008-11-18T17:25:00.000-07:00Anonymous, 12:56, of course you wouldn't. There i...Anonymous, 12:56, of course you wouldn't. There is absolutely no grounds whatsoever upon which to assert, "If you don't accept homosexuality, you will burn in hell forever." You're being silly, right?<BR/> <BR/>As for the warning, if you don't like it, you have to take it up with God. He said it; Christians are just carrying out His instruction to warn people about it.Bob Ellishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10413354616356999953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-64847725619718221262008-11-18T17:23:00.000-07:002008-11-18T17:23:00.000-07:00Anonymous 12:49, it's early yet, but marriage is s...Anonymous 12:49, it's early yet, but marriage is starting to fall by the wayside entirely in some of the earliest countries to adopt this nonsense. When something can mean anything, it means nothing.<BR/> <BR/>As to some of the specific harms of this insanity, I outlined those briefly in my comment at 12:28.<BR/> <BR/>Sorry, Anonymous 12:49. I suppose in my excitement at seeing something that Bob Ellishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10413354616356999953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-55458834665014196382008-11-18T13:02:00.000-07:002008-11-18T13:02:00.000-07:00Bob, I didn't say that homosexuality is a choice. ...Bob, I didn't say that homosexuality is a choice. Here's my quote:<BR/><BR/>"And <I><B>you</B></I> think that we chose this lifestlye, to be gay..."<BR/><BR/>I was merely demonstrating that your religion IS a choice and being gay is not.<BR/><BR/>Contrary to what you think, I did not choose to be gay. The only choice that I had was to stop lying myself about it. But Bob, when did you choose whoadoggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01758365928925677277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-84771947587927718532008-11-18T12:56:00.001-07:002008-11-18T12:56:00.001-07:00Bob,1. I beg to differ, denying us rights is an a...Bob,<BR/><BR/>1. I beg to differ, denying us rights is an attack to our livelihoods. Still have I yet to hear a valid reasoning on how my marriage to another guy would undermine your family. The stability and welfare of our nation? Married gay couples help stabilize the family and therefore the nation. When we marry it's because we're ready for the commitment. And majority of married gay whoadoggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01758365928925677277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-29516091587131594372008-11-18T12:56:00.000-07:002008-11-18T12:56:00.000-07:00Bob, Still, you'd be hard-pressed to find a gay ac...Bob, <BR/><BR/>Still, you'd be hard-pressed to find a gay activist say, "If you don't accept homosexuality, you will burn in hell forever." On the contrary, we have more than enough Christians saying, "If you don't accept Christ, you will burn in hell forever." We can split hairs over whether this is a threat or a warning, but the meaning is the same: if you don't agree with me, you are going Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-32284763364930088142008-11-18T12:49:00.000-07:002008-11-18T12:49:00.000-07:00"They aren't even being attacked. People voted to ..."They aren't even being attacked. People voted to protect marriage from being hijacked and counterfeited, which would undermine the family and the very stability and welfare of our nation." <BR/><BR/>I'd consider giving that credence, except for one thing: same-sex marriage (or any variation of it) does not prevent or discourage heterosexuals from marrying. I would believe that same-sex marriageAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-47268105187628078632008-11-18T12:28:00.000-07:002008-11-18T12:28:00.000-07:00I'm glad you said we need to examine this objectiv...I'm glad you said we need to examine this objectively, Anonymous 11:22. <BR/> <BR/>In order to make a credible threat, one must have intent, capability and opportunity to carry it out. The Christian has no intent, capability or opportunity to damn a soul to hell. Concerned Christians warn, they do not threaten. <BR/> <BR/>And there is no basis whatsoever to deny the legality of my marriage. Bob Ellishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10413354616356999953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-74439920369396600402008-11-18T12:23:00.000-07:002008-11-18T12:23:00.000-07:00Jake, I don't think anyone here was making fun of ...Jake, I don't think anyone here was making fun of your lives. What these Christians hope is that you will see that your homosexual behavior is a sin, that it is separating you from God, and that it is unhealthy and harmful to you physically. <BR/> <BR/>You don't have to like that, but it's a free country--these Christians should have a right to say it publicly without harassment. <BR/> <BR/>AndBob Ellishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10413354616356999953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-25086512863167493452008-11-18T12:20:00.000-07:002008-11-18T12:20:00.000-07:00Two salient points to begin with, Haggs. 1. They...Two salient points to begin with, Haggs. <BR/> <BR/>1. They aren't even being attacked. People voted to protect marriage from being hijacked and counterfeited, which would undermine the family and the very stability and welfare of our nation. <BR/> <BR/>2. Homosexuals aren't being criticized (much less attacked) for who they are; they are often criticized for <EM>what they do</EM>. They Bob Ellishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10413354616356999953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-28413672923188347772008-11-18T12:05:00.000-07:002008-11-18T12:05:00.000-07:00Oh, yes... I'm soooo sure all gays are "intolerant...Oh, yes... I'm soooo sure all gays are "intolerant." You've certainly cleared my sight in that regards.<BR/><BR/>Now, since "Christians" are responsible for the many beatings, murders, and other acts of physical and verbal violence on gay folk, I also by your logic must assume that all Christians are violent, intolerant people.<BR/><BR/>This saddens me greatly, because I am a Christian myself, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-42156764574184609162008-11-18T11:22:00.000-07:002008-11-18T11:22:00.000-07:00Let's look at this objectively.When a gay activist...Let's look at this objectively.<BR/><BR/>When a gay activist finds someone he doesn't like or doesn't agree with, he commits vandalism, takes an old lady's cross away before shouting at her, and yells profanities during a church service. And all of this is done out of anger, provoked by his fellow citizens' decision to deny his relationship equal status to marriage. I doubt you would react any Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-44017422918211225512008-11-18T10:54:00.000-07:002008-11-18T10:54:00.000-07:00"The Intolerance of the Tolerant"I don't get you b..."The Intolerance of the Tolerant"<BR/><BR/>I don't get you bi-bull thumpers. Who said gays, or liberals, or anyone critical of you superstitious Christian freaks are "tolerant?" I am openly intolerant of stupid ideas. This notion that conservative Christian freaks have that their ideas are just as good as mine is asinine and smacks of Chinese Red Guard mentality. Superstition is never the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11556657.post-55110381788823881472008-11-18T10:40:00.000-07:002008-11-18T10:40:00.000-07:00First of all, I'm gay and I am not violent. That ...First of all, I'm gay and I am not violent. That being said, I can't believe that you're a christian. You decry intolerance among the few gay castro crowd when you yourself show intolerance by making fun of our lives, mocking us. How? Think on it.<BR/><BR/>In the past, I would have been one of the people who would say hi and smile to you folks. SHAME ON YOU!<BR/><BR/>We are tolerant. But whoadoggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01758365928925677277noreply@blogger.com